Bronc_17113 86 Bronco

[bronc_17113]

Name: Don

Truck: '86 Bronco

Engine: 302

Mods: not much
Rear 9" w/detroit
33" BFG a/t's

It isn't as impressive as some but here are some pics

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/571334/fullsize/pict0374.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/551733/fullsize/pict0063.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/603676/fullsize/pict0127.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/618657/fullsize/img_1432.jpg

[bronc_17113]

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/618658/fullsize/2223042084_52d59127f0.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/618659/fullsize/2222261545_dbb588ddcf.jpg

[bronc_17113]

need to fiure out what to do with the inner fenderwells yet

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/595550/fullsize/pict0117.jpg

[Walking Eagle]

That is the way my inner fender wells look at the moment.

[bronc_17113]

lol yeah it's pretty fugly lol. Matches the rest of my truck. But she gets the job done.

[cory]

that ugly piece in the rear wheelwell comes out with a pair of pliers

[Warrlord]

Don, I see a bunch of potential, all in due time :)

At least you go out & wheel your Bronco :thumbsup: unlike someone here (shhh, don't let Jeff see this) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Warrlord/Misc/derisive.gif

[mattadams]

I drove one of them, heh heh.

[bronc_17113]

plans: 2" suspension
35" tires
Regear
winch
Family cage
SAS prolly not until I find a D60 not sure about how much I am really gaining with the D44

[bronc_17113]

I drove one of them, heh heh.
lol yes you did it gave up the ghost a couple weeks ago lol

[Warrlord]

SAS prolly not until I find a D60 not sure about how much I am really gaining with the D44

You can gain more articulation with the SAS whether it's a 44 or 60. At least with the SAS 44, you can purchase high strength axles at a reasonable price to beef it up over the TTB 44, so I consider that a pretty good gain.

[bronc_17113]

Oh yeah and the new RMFTC windhsield banner should add at least 15 HP and some low end torque to boot right?

[Swat]

I agree that it is great to see you out and using what you got! You add more and build it up more over time! The D44 woupld work great if you stay with 35" tires. That was my first SAS and I sold it for $1,200 (with Ox joints, ARB and alloy axles). You could always upgrade later and sell the 44, but it would get you to most places and beat the crap out of TTB for crawlin'.

[bronc_17113]

that ugly piece in the rear wheelwell comes out with a pair of pliers
I'll be honest I'm not seing how. I think I am going to go down to harbor freight on Friday and pick up a cutoff wheel.

[Walking Eagle]

I'll be honest I'm not seing how. I think I am going to go down to harbor freight on Friday and pick up a cutoff wheel.
I'll let you know what happens. Cory said it's easy and as so as we clock out here at work, we're going to go pull the back ones off my Bronco this evening.

[bronc_17113]

right on thanks I fixed my fronts today but I need to rebuild the ends a lil bit think I'm just going to get som rubber and rivet it in place

[Walking Eagle]

Well I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing. Cory ripped out the plastic part on both rear wheel wells in less than five minutes. If your talking about the metal portion of the wheel well, I'm leaving mine in place.

[bronc_17113]

yeah it is the metal that is hanging down on mine i need to clean up

[thesoundmaster]

I drove one of them, heh heh.

same one I drove too! Had to whip it onto 287 from 66 when Don forgot his Detroit back behind him and took the corner a little quick!

[bronc_17113]

yup yup yup squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel

[1 EYE]

Well seeing how were both at the stock level, we should build up these beast together, what do you say?

[bronc_17113]

I'm always willing to turn a wrench with most anybody when I can find the time. My buils plans are really quite mild at least compared to the '78 supercab i used to tool around in. that was before I had a family, house, and all kind of other bills.

[bronc_17113]

I agree that it is great to see you out and using what you got! You add more and built it up more over time! The D44 woupld work great if you stay with 35" tires. That was my first SAS and I sold it for $1,200 (with Ox joints, ARB and alloy axles). You could always upgrade later and sell the 44, but it would get you to most places and beat the crap out of TTB for crawlin'.
If I go that route I already have the 44 as well as the front and rear lift. i also think I have driveshafts that will work won't really know that until I get it up. Still need to get the chevy TRE's for the steering, as well as the extended brake lines, new gears, 35's, trac bar, shocks, etc.......... I would like to find a way to do the cage first unfortunately my fab skills are non existent so I will probablly be looking at what JBG has or some such. I thought about trying to use the steering off of the '79 bronco but i really do not know how that would work.

[sampsin]

Don...whadya get the 9" from? Do 86 normaly come with 9" or 8.8? Did you install the detroit yourself?

I want to get a locker in my rig soon...

[bronc_17113]

I had help with the detroit but I feel pretty confident in assisting with another one as long as we have the right tools. 9" was stcok for some 86's lol I first bought an 8.8 locker then saw my bolt were on the wrong side.

[sampsin]

Did you buy the detroit new or used? I hoping to find somebody upgrading to 1 ton that wants to sell their setup.

[bronc_17113]

used there is one on craigslist right now for 300 as a matter of fact. Let me see if I can find it

[bronc_17113]

http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/614458487.html
there ya go bud

[bronc_17113]

:idea:
So now it is opinion time first off 4:86 in the rear, 4:88's in the front going to be ok? Or do the gear ratios have to match perfect?

Are these actually bead locks ?http://www.4wheelparts.com/PDT63441.aspx

If not how easy or hard would it be to put rings on one of my existing set of wheels?

I'm likeing the durabilty of an ox locker over an ARB for the front. thoughts? comments?

Looking at a simple milemarker 12k winch anybody have experience? good bad or indifferent?

What are the best/easiest steering options for someone such as myself with minimal fabrication skills?

Trac bar bracket? does someone make a prefabbed one?

Shock mounts I know the lowers off the 79 are on the axles themselves but do i pull the upper shock towers off the 79 as well?

[bronc_17113]

So far i have a complete 79 bronco donor. So I have:
D44.
9" rear with detroit
6" skyjacker rear leafs
4" 79 rancho coils
79 radius arms

Need:
4:88 gear set for the front
4:86 gear set for the rear
Ox locker for front 3:93 and up which will replace the carrier in the front?
ox cable
superlift adjustable trac bar
shocks
7 degree c bushings
35" bfg at's
beadlocks
12k winch
Grade 8 hardware
extended brake lines

What am I missing? I read a lot of articles but I don't pick up on everything to be honest a lot of it is written over my head.

Sorry for all the questions but i don't want to do this twice or start before i have everything I know I need. And yes I do realize that things will come up that i just can not predict.

[Warrlord]

:idea:
So now it is opinion time first off 4:86 in the rear, 4:88's in the front going to be ok? Or do the gear ratios have to match perfect?

Are these actually bead locks ?http://www.4wheelparts.com/PDT63441.aspx

If not how easy or hard would it be to put rings on one of my existing set of wheels?

I'm likeing the durabilty of an ox locker over an ARB for the front. thoughts? comments?

Looking at a simple milemarker 12k winch anybody have experience? good bad or indifferent?

What are the best/easiest steering options for someone such as myself with minimal fabrication skills?

Trac bar bracket? does someone make a prefabbed one?

Shock mounts I know the lowers off the 79 are on the axles themselves but do i pull the upper shock towers off the 79 as well?

The gear ratio difference you stated will be fine & dandy.

Those wheels are the fake beadlocks like I have. I like 'em because the outer edge is very thick so it'll be dang near impossible to bend it if you smash it on a rock.

Some places make kits to install an actual beadlock on your existing wheel. It'd probably be more of pain than it's worth compared to buying actual beadlocks. However, actual beadlock wheels are not DOT approved. They can lose air daily unless you run an innertube and the bolts need retorqued after every 25-30 miles of driving.

The OX Locker probably wouldn't work for your TTB D44 unless you fab up the axle beam for the cable & bracket to mount & operate properly. If your talking about the SAS D44, I'd think it'd be a good choice..........Just a cable to worry about instead of an air compressor, air lines, & the internal seals in the diff. Either one would do it's job but it seems like there'd be less to hassle with on an OX Locker.

I'm happy with my Milemarker SE9500C. People dog on Milemarker because of how slow their best seller is................The PE8000. Well, the PE8000 would be great for Suzuki Samurai but they're not that good for anything else. Check out this comarison video (http://www.truckspring.com/winch-comparison-video_942.html), it's about 15 minutes long & the good stuff doesn't start until about halfway into it. Of course it's biased since Milemarker is doing it but all the winches endure the same testing per their rating. My 9500, pulled 5 vehicles in a row & never overheated or acted like it wanted to give up..........GMC Suburban, Toyota Pickup, Jeep Wrangler, Full Size Bronco, Jeep Cherokee. Also, my Bro's Milemarker never gave up on him & worked flawlessly. I don't have a problem with Milemarker.........getting the right model for your vehicle with any brand winch makes the difference between hating it & liking it.

[bronc_17113]

The gear ratio difference you stated will be fine & dandy.

Those wheels are the fake beadlocks like I have. I like 'em because the outer edge is very thick so it'll be dang near impossible to bend it if you smash it on a rock.

Some places make kits to install an actual beadlock on your existing wheel. It'd probably be more of pain than it's worth compared to buying actual beadlocks. However, actual beadlock wheels are not DOT approved. They can lose air daily unless you run an innertube and the bolts need retorqued after every 25-30 miles of driving.

The OX Locker probably wouldn't work for your TTB D44 unless you fab up the axle beam for the cable & bracket to mount & operate properly. If your talking about the SAS D44, I'd think it'd be a good choice..........Just a cable to worry about instead of an air compressor, air lines, & the internal seals in the diff. Either one would do it's job but it seems like there'd be less to hassle with on an OX Locker.

I'm happy with my Milemarker SE9500C. People dog on Milemarker because of how slow their best seller is................The PE8000. Well, the PE8000 would be great for Suzuki Samurai but they're not that good for anything else. Check out this comarison video (http://www.truckspring.com/winch-comparison-video_942.html), it's about 15 minutes long & the good stuff doesn't start until about halfway into it. Of course it's biased since Milemarker is doing it but all the winches endure the same testing per their rating. My 9500, pulled 5 vehicles in a row & never overheated or acted like it wanted to give up..........GMC Suburban, Toyota Pickup, Jeep Wrangler, Full Size Bronco, Jeep Cherokee. Also, my Bro's Milemarker never gave up on him & worked flawlessly. I don't have a problem with Milemarker.........getting the right model for your vehicle with any brand winch makes the difference between hating it & liking it.
Yeah that's all based on the SAS . After pricing out the ARBand all the necessary components the ox seemed to be a lil more inexpensive and durable in the long run. I decided I was going to do the SAS based on two things articualtion and body flex elimination.

[PaleBlue90]

Yeah that's all based on the SAS . After pricing out the ARBand all the necessary components the ox seemed to be a lil more inexpensive and durable in the long run. I decided I was going to do the SAS based on two things articualtion and body flex elimination.

ill be running a OX in the hi-pinion dana 30 in the front of my ranger, i really like the idea of it. i agree it will be a good choice, plus it comes with nice diff armor:thumbsup:

[bronc_17113]

I may have changed my mind again. I think the first step for me is going to be making the truck look decent again. The wife has decided that even with offers of help it just isnt going to be cost effective to have 2 broncos. Looks like I am going to be replacing a couple quarter panels and a tailgate which I will scalp off of that truck, then it is on to painting using this roller method I have seen that looks pretty cool. Found a rear bumper today made by a local guy in Boulder that just does an awesome job at a reasonable price. After that I think it will be regear, ttb lift, winch, and a detroit true trac up front. I am still going to keep my SAS components but I am just not sure that there are enough advantages for me without moving to 1 ton axles (which I am not prepared to do just yet)

[Tilt168]

don't succumb to the SAS temptation! stay TTB with me! sounds like you have some great plans for your truck! good luck and keep us informed!


YAY 600th post!!!:groovy:

[shawns 64 F100]

you know I always liked a solid front axle, but lately I have been wondering why a TTB cant be made better, its been a great system but as always the factory never made it perfect. I always felt one of the biggest problems was the pivot bushing and the surrounding region was never strong enough, thats why the bushing wore out so much. I always imagined someone in the aftermarket field with the correct equipment could make a sealed bearing and reinforce the crossmember where it mounts for better longevity with more articulation on a bearing over a bushing. the initial cost to make a product like that would have to be extremely expensive and thats why people switch to a completely different front end. now imagine a pivot bearing, radius arm bearings, and then maybe something for the ball joints. like knuckle with pivots where the upper and lower ball joints are located. but the system will have to have some sort of stability controll so its not wobbling all over the place, but can give you plenty of movement. Say with a couple ofl ink arms that only allow the joints to move when needed this could eliminate the off camber / caster you get with the factory system. just ideas that I come up with when I have too much coffee :D I can go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

[bronc_17113]

don't succumb to the SAS temptation! stay TTB with me! sounds like you have some great plans for your truck! good luck and keep us informed!


YAY 600th post!!!:groovy:
I still think that an SAS is the way to go I just do not think that the gains are worth as much with a 44 as a 60. The other sides is that with gas it just isnt cost effective to do an sas for as lil as I seem to be making it out.

[bronc_17113]

Shawn you should check out the things that the broncospeed guys do over on fullsizebronco.com sometime. It is pretty impressive how much they reinforce the ttb as well as the travel they get out of teh axle.

[Starkman]

you know I always liked a solid front axle, but lately I have been wondering why a TTB cant be made better, its been a great system but as always the factory never made it perfect. I always felt one of the biggest problems was the pivot bushing and the surrounding region was never strong enough, thats why the bushing wore out so much. I always imagined someone in the aftermarket field with the correct equipment could make a sealed bearing and reinforce the crossmember where it mounts for better longevity with more articulation on a bearing over a bushing. the initial cost to make a product like that would have to be extremely expensive and thats why people switch to a completely different front end. now imagine a pivot bearing, radius arm bearings, and then maybe something for the ball joints. like knuckle with pivots where the upper and lower ball joints are located. but the system will have to have some sort of stability controll so its not wobbling all over the place, but can give you plenty of movement. Say with a couple ofl ink arms that only allow the joints to move when needed this could eliminate the off camber / caster you get with the factory system. just ideas that I come up with when I have too much coffee :D I can go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Over the years I have seen many different TTB setups in desert racing. Even one that had links to replace the TTB body to keep camber correct.

You are talking about a Johnny Joint for the bushing. Jesse and I have talked some about this. He thinks you could just weld one in. The radius arms being short is also a bushing wearer. I am going to do a few things to improve the TTB to get more travel and less flex, stay tuned.

At this point my thought is that I have a locker and gears so to go to a SAS I would be buying them again so I will see what the TTB will do. Also steering is a issue. I have some thoughts of how to help that too.

[Tilt168]

Over the years I have seen many different TTB setups in desert racing. Even one that had links to replace the TTB body to keep camber correct.

You are talking about a Johnny Joint for the bushing. Jesse and I have talked some about this. He thinks you could just weld one in. The radius arms being short is also a bushing wearer. I am going to do a few things to improve the TTB to get more travel and less flex, stay tuned.

At this point my thought is that I have a locker and gears so to go to a SAS I would be buying them again so I will see what the TTB will do. Also steering is a issue. I have some thoughts of how to help that too.

yep.......i cant wait to see the what you build up

[bronc_17113]

took the top off today :glasses10:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/670286/fullsize/pict0278.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/670284/fullsize/pict0268.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/670293/fullsize/pict0275.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/670303/fullsize/pict0269.jpg

[Tilt168]

i love going topless....nothing better then driving on a great day with the top off, music up, and wind in ur hair

[bronc_17113]

Well as of today I made a trade where I am officially no longer broncoless and figured it was time to update the fleet. The 97 has gone to the wayside. Some additions have been made.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/794142/fullsize/img00035201004241806.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/776365/fullsize/img_0570.jpg

[Warrlord]

Good, you're Broncofied again. Nice to see you still have the crew cab too.

I noticed your message last night when I turned off my phone around midnight, I'll give ya a call today :D

[bronc_17113]

took a few more pics today

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795052/fullsize/img00040201004261007.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795053/fullsize/img00041201004261008.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795054/fullsize/img00042201004261008.jpg

[bronc_17113]

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795055/fullsize/img00043201004261008.jpg

look ma no flex

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795056/fullsize/img00044201004261010.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795058/fullsize/img00045201004261010.jpg

[bronc_17113]

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795059/fullsize/img00046201004261011.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795060/fullsize/img00047201004261011.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795061/fullsize/img00048201004261013.jpg

[bronc_17113]

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795062/fullsize/img00049201004261013.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795063/fullsize/img00050201004261013.jpg

[mattadams]

I was wondering why you sent a pic of a bronco to my phone, LOL. Looks good. I like that body style.

[bronc_17113]

put all the dents in a row today for pic taking

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795430/fullsize/img_1061.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795428/fullsize/img_1060.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795426/fullsize/img_1059.jpg

[bronc_17113]

bronco engine bay

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/795423/fullsize/img_1058.jpg

[bronc_17113]

any carb gurus wanna come up and help me dial this one in it seems to run fine once warmed up but i have a helluva time just getting it to stay started when cold

[Warrlord]

Here's the adapter I have for ya......................

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplayPopup?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&productId=743746&langId=-1&showValue=3

Hey Don after we talked, here's the two gaskets you'll need..................

http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr-Gasket/720/54/10002/-1?parentProductId=743797

http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr-Gasket/720/56A/10002/-1?parentProductId=743797

You'll also need one of these for the throttle cable.............

http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/8012/10002/-1

Generally, Checkers & Autozone carry these. Checkers usually has more of the performance type stuff on hand than the zone does. The only thing we'll have to get once we get ready to install it, is bolts for that adapter.

[bronc_17113]

ok so i have determined that forest effin gump was the prior owner of this truck any thoughts on how the eff i get this out
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806246/fullsize/img_1241.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806247/fullsize/img_1242.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806249/fullsize/img_1245.jpg

wrong bolt case u cant tell flippin gump

[bronc_17113]

i guess ill try to weld another nut on there in the am

[bronc_17113]

out with 2bbl and overweight intake in with 4bbl



http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806610/fullsize/img_1248.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806617/fullsize/img_1249.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806653/fullsize/img_1247.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806622/fullsize/img_1250.jpg

[bronc_17113]

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806657/fullsize/img_1251.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806669/fullsize/img_1252.jpg


http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/806683/fullsize/img_1255.jpg

[bronc_17113]

tried this on for size
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813074/fullsize/img_0090.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813075/fullsize/img_0091.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813076/fullsize/img_0092.jpg

decided on this

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813077/fullsize/img_0093.jpg

[bronc_17113]

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813092/fullsize/img_0267.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813090/fullsize/img_0261.jpg

ended up with this

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813068/fullsize/img_0272.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813093/fullsize/img_0273.jpg

[shawns 64 F100]

Says "file not found" where the pics are posted. ahhh there they are after reloading, that color is that?

[bronc_17113]

Ford tractor light grey which is almost a khaki color

[bronc_17113]

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813706/fullsize/img_0290.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813704/fullsize/img_0288.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813703/fullsize/img_0287.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813701/fullsize/img_0285.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813698/fullsize/img_0282.jpg

[bronc_17113]

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813717/fullsize/img_0280.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813715/fullsize/img_0279.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813713/fullsize/img_0278.jpg

missed a spot hahahaha

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/813710/fullsize/img_0276.jpg

[mattadams]

the color really varies based on the angle. I like it!

[Warrlord]

I like it Don :thumbsup:

Looks like it could also be the base color for desert camo :D

[dannan_w]

I like it Don :thumbsup:

Looks like it could also be the base color for desert camo :D

:thumbsup: Desert Camo!!!!! looks nice!

[bronc_17113]

Plans for the summer include sanding the truck down and painting it right, replacing the wheel wells, new tires, maybe getting the 4:11s installed, finally installing the leafs I have had here since i bought the truck, and figuring out how the hell to fix the passenger side wiper. Today I was feeling the need to do something small so I installed these lights:

https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/902123/fullsize/img00339201201031206.jpg


https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/902122/fullsize/img00340201201031206.jpg